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omimouseI probably should have posted this yesterday, but it got lost in the shuffle of errands and a nasty headache.
Warin's mom has found out about the move. Chances are that the loan payment that we sent is what did it, seeing as the return address had all 3 of our names and the new address on it. No, she hasn't talkied to Warin about it at all; why on earth would dhe talk to him first? I'm feeling squirmy enough about revealing folks that I'll let our source (okay, so I've always wanted to say that) reveal hirself at hir choice.
This is a heads up that drama and attempts at "divide and conquer" tactics are likely to be a'comin' from Huntsville. Knowing that woman, they're likely to be aimed square at the kids.
Why couldn't she be more like Catchild's mom? Huh? Or like Louis's mom? Hell, is basic human decency too much to ask for?
Please, let me be making the wrong call on her behaviour. Please. Please be wrong, please be wrong . . .
Warin's mom has found out about the move. Chances are that the loan payment that we sent is what did it, seeing as the return address had all 3 of our names and the new address on it. No, she hasn't talkied to Warin about it at all; why on earth would dhe talk to him first? I'm feeling squirmy enough about revealing folks that I'll let our source (okay, so I've always wanted to say that) reveal hirself at hir choice.
This is a heads up that drama and attempts at "divide and conquer" tactics are likely to be a'comin' from Huntsville. Knowing that woman, they're likely to be aimed square at the kids.
Why couldn't she be more like Catchild's mom? Huh? Or like Louis's mom? Hell, is basic human decency too much to ask for?
Please, let me be making the wrong call on her behaviour. Please. Please be wrong, please be wrong . . .
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Date: 2006-03-09 07:29 am (UTC)I seriously don't think you're ever going to be rid of this problem until there's a restraining order -- and even then, I suspect she'll have to spend a few nights in jail before she figures out that it's for real.
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Date: 2006-03-09 10:39 am (UTC)Which she seems to not yet know about. Y'know, she is one of the few people that I have no ethical problem with straight out lying to . . .
Hmmm. Ideas, ideas . . .
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Date: 2006-03-09 12:32 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-03-09 03:19 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-03-09 06:12 pm (UTC)And I don't want to make anyone rehash the entirety of a painful episode in their lives...but could someone give me the cliff's notes version of what is happening? Or maybe links to past entries about this?
Why is this person (Warins-mom) getting loan payments- and not the bank? Is she shuffling through someone else's mail? (THAT'S a federal offense.) Who is divorcing what? And what needs to be done to make sure you're safe?
Sorry...lost here...
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Date: 2006-03-09 08:15 pm (UTC)http://omimouse.livejournal.com/9157.html
http://omimouse.livejournal.com/38344.html
http://omimouse.livejournal.com/67944.html
http://omimouse.livejournal.com/68432.html
http://omimouse.livejournal.com/68764.html
http://omimouse.livejournal.com/70466.html
This is the woman that, back in 2001, asked the then 8-year-old Bearcub where the adults in the house were sleeping. She then proceeded to not talk to any of us about this, but promptly talked to Catchild's parents. Right before they were going out of state for a while. We didn't find out about it until Catchild's mom called Catchild about it. This sparked off a chain of misunderstanding and ouchiness that took a (painful) year or so to resolve.
And all of this (links included) just barely scratches the surface. Anyone who wants to can feel free to fill in where they wish; I call the woman the only truly evil person that I have met, and leave it at that.
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Date: 2006-03-09 10:08 pm (UTC)Our Cast --
Demon -- "K"
Human Soul (in healing)- "W"
Human Soul (Chosen Family) "C"
two young daughter souls, -- "B" and "?"
Demon (Using name- "K",) in human female shape gives birth to- and promptly begins to twist- two young human souls. Human souls- being protected by (???)- do not get as twisted as they might have been, and one (We'll call him "W") even finds friends and love (With "C") and a Chosen Family to help him get straightened out and healed. (Unknown about other soul- don't have enough info.) "W" Soul begins to create his OWN family with "C", having at least two (?) young (daughter) souls. Demon in human form decides that since it failed to twist his soul- it will now go after the young daughter souls... using tactics of manipulation, bad examples, domineering, and not-so-subtle abuse. Family gathers round and (Not realizing that she is NOT truly Human,) do what they can to mitigate effects. Demon finally pushes too far and Family decides- "We are DONE, Now." and proceeds to sever contact with said Demon.
Question now is- are "W" and "C" getting divorced to force a legal separation from "K" demon? Or is it unrelated? I read comments about "writing in a 'No Contact' clause into the papers" and wonder how divorce proceedings between two people will actually hold against third person...
(You know- change a few names, and you could sell this as a script to "All My Children" and make a mint on royalties...)
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Date: 2006-03-09 10:09 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-03-09 11:22 pm (UTC)Catchild and Warin effectively grew apart over the past 5-6 years. They are both adult enough to admit it, and to let go of it so that they can go on with their lives. This is an amicable divorce.
We shouldn't need to lie low anywhere; Kathy lives in AL, and we've been resident in TN for about 4 years now. Thank you muchly for the offer, though.
And yes, we'd all like to get our hands on the scriptwriter.
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Date: 2006-03-10 12:07 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-03-12 02:37 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-03-13 06:59 pm (UTC)I hope it works and everything comes out all right. :)
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Date: 2006-03-10 04:36 am (UTC)I am the other 'twisted soul' in question, W's younger brother. I don't approve of a great deal of what my mother has done, and I wish she cared about her children from their perspective instead of her own. But while you are considering another human being to be a demon, you don't have the story straight. As I repeatedly point out in this family's journals, K has emotions and is acting in a manner she believes to be right, even helpful. Thinking of another person as inherently evil does you no good, and propagating the notion keeps pushing back the hope of reconciliation, or at least a mutual understanding.
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Date: 2006-03-10 06:01 am (UTC)Yes, she has emotions and viewpoints. They are hers, and I do not seek to deny her her right to them. She does not have the right to attempt to force anyone else to live by her standards. She has no excuse for this; she has no right to this. She has ignored our requests, our boundaries, our values and ethics.
As far as I can tell, she does not care about what any of her family -no, what anyone- wants, only about what she wants. To me, this is the basic definition of evil. Puting your wants/needs above those of others is one thing. Not caring about those wants/needs is something else entirely.
I speak for myself, and, I think, for everyone else down here (correct me if I'm wrong, folks) when I say that reconciliation is no longer what we are searching for. Instead, what we want is closure.
-sigh- -hugs- Love you, sweetie. I'm just so incredibly tired of Kathy.
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Date: 2006-03-10 08:17 am (UTC)I've gotten gifts from her based solely on what I want. She tries to help my grandfather achieve what he wants. She certainly supports my father's activities, both in and out of the work environment. She cares about the environment, and not because she'll have to deal with severe consequences -- her actions mainly affect what future generations will experience.
Rhetoric aside, I can see that she doesn't care about what you want, collectively or as individuals, except insofar as it coincides with her own desires, which is basically never. She's not evil, but she's nevertheless constantly in contention with you.
I'm sorry you're tired, and I sympathize. I imagine that closure would be a positive step for that set of relationships, and I wouldn't hold out for reconciliation in your position.
My change in the pot
Date: 2006-03-10 07:05 pm (UTC)I am honestly glad you have been able to have positive interactions with her. The last numerous interactions that I was aware of involving her, with the people in this area, would be classified as slightly to strongly negative (in my opinion.)
I can understand why you do not feel she is evil. On this I disagree, though. I have come to think that all humans have a sliding bar for both good and evil that are separate. Someone can be both very good and very evil, depending on beliefs and the situation. Everyone has moments in which there lies the potential of evil, as well as moments in which lies the potential of good. At least where I have been available to observe, she has displayed consistent attitude and actions that represented a moderate to high amount of evil and a minor to moderate amount of good. Where we (collective of all involved in TN) have been involved, she has tended to both over-ride authority and actively encourage negative attitudes and actions from the kids. The perceived attitude that I have gotten regarding her has been "Own first, Control second, Destroy third."
As far as being a demon, or being inhuman, I think that might be a difference in terms. FTR, though, I do not think of her as inhuman - she is just as human as everyone else. Omimouse pointed out that both myself and her tend to ot use the term 'evil' to automatically dehumanize. Experience has taught me that this is not the norm. A lot of people will start with this as a way of making it easier to hate. Not the direction we are looking to go. I do not like K, but this is due to the way she has treated myself and those that I cared about in her presence.
I am not trying to rant, offend, or ramble; just to explain. While I was not (by any means) the most intimately involved with this situation, I was involved. I figured I would share my 2.44 cents worth. (Inflation drove it up from $0.02)
Correction
Date: 2006-03-10 07:08 pm (UTC)Don't want to forget these
Date: 2006-03-10 07:05 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-03-10 05:35 pm (UTC)But I have to say this, The three adults who kept two children locked in a bathroom for FIVE YEARS are trying to convince people that they were doing what they believed to be right, as well. And I can tell you- from the Doctor's reports comparing these children to holocaust victims- that it is impossible for me to believe them.
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Date: 2006-03-29 02:15 am (UTC)since i don't know who this person is at all they aren't on any of them includeing my Flist.
No contact order
Date: 2006-03-09 09:32 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-03-10 01:21 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-03-10 04:19 pm (UTC)Much returning of -hugs- :)