PSA

[omimouse]

I probably should have posted this yesterday, but it got lost in the shuffle of errands and a nasty headache.

Warin's mom has found out about the move. Chances are that the loan payment that we sent is what did it, seeing as the return address had all 3 of our names and the new address on it. No, she hasn't talkied to Warin about it at all; why on earth would dhe talk to him first? I'm feeling squirmy enough about revealing folks that I'll let our source (okay, so I've always wanted to say that) reveal hirself at hir choice.

This is a heads up that drama and attempts at "divide and conquer" tactics are likely to be a'comin' from Huntsville. Knowing that woman, they're likely to be aimed square at the kids.

Why couldn't she be more like Catchild's mom? Huh? Or like Louis's mom? Hell, is basic human decency too much to ask for?

Please, let me be making the wrong call on her behaviour. Please. Please be wrong, please be wrong . . .

Comments

[dimers.livejournal.com]

Let me see if I've got this straight... sort of...

I am the other 'twisted soul' in question, W's younger brother. I don't approve of a great deal of what my mother has done, and I wish she cared about her children from their perspective instead of her own. But while you are considering another human being to be a demon, you don't have the story straight. As I repeatedly point out in this family's journals, K has emotions and is acting in a manner she believes to be right, even helpful. Thinking of another person as inherently evil does you no good, and propagating the notion keeps pushing back the hope of reconciliation, or at least a mutual understanding.

[omimouse.livejournal.com]

I don't hate her, Drew. I try very hard to not hate anyone.

Yes, she has emotions and viewpoints. They are hers, and I do not seek to deny her her right to them. She does not have the right to attempt to force anyone else to live by her standards. She has no excuse for this; she has no right to this. She has ignored our requests, our boundaries, our values and ethics.

As far as I can tell, she does not care about what any of her family -no, what anyone- wants, only about what she wants. To me, this is the basic definition of evil. Puting your wants/needs above those of others is one thing. Not caring about those wants/needs is something else entirely.

I speak for myself, and, I think, for everyone else down here (correct me if I'm wrong, folks) when I say that reconciliation is no longer what we are searching for. Instead, what we want is closure.

-sigh- -hugs- Love you, sweetie. I'm just so incredibly tired of Kathy.

[dimers.livejournal.com]

she does not care about ... what anyone wants, only about what she wants.

I've gotten gifts from her based solely on what I want. She tries to help my grandfather achieve what he wants. She certainly supports my father's activities, both in and out of the work environment. She cares about the environment, and not because she'll have to deal with severe consequences -- her actions mainly affect what future generations will experience.

Rhetoric aside, I can see that she doesn't care about what you want, collectively or as individuals, except insofar as it coincides with her own desires, which is basically never. She's not evil, but she's nevertheless constantly in contention with you.

I'm sorry you're tired, and I sympathize. I imagine that closure would be a positive step for that set of relationships, and I wouldn't hold out for reconciliation in your position.

My change in the pot

[louisadkins.livejournal.com]

I am speaking only for myself, here.

I am honestly glad you have been able to have positive interactions with her. The last numerous interactions that I was aware of involving her, with the people in this area, would be classified as slightly to strongly negative (in my opinion.)

I can understand why you do not feel she is evil. On this I disagree, though. I have come to think that all humans have a sliding bar for both good and evil that are separate. Someone can be both very good and very evil, depending on beliefs and the situation. Everyone has moments in which there lies the potential of evil, as well as moments in which lies the potential of good. At least where I have been available to observe, she has displayed consistent attitude and actions that represented a moderate to high amount of evil and a minor to moderate amount of good. Where we (collective of all involved in TN) have been involved, she has tended to both over-ride authority and actively encourage negative attitudes and actions from the kids. The perceived attitude that I have gotten regarding her has been "Own first, Control second, Destroy third."

As far as being a demon, or being inhuman, I think that might be a difference in terms. FTR, though, I do not think of her as inhuman - she is just as human as everyone else. Omimouse pointed out that both myself and her tend to ot use the term 'evil' to automatically dehumanize. Experience has taught me that this is not the norm. A lot of people will start with this as a way of making it easier to hate. Not the direction we are looking to go. I do not like K, but this is due to the way she has treated myself and those that I cared about in her presence.

I am not trying to rant, offend, or ramble; just to explain. While I was not (by any means) the most intimately involved with this situation, I was involved. I figured I would share my 2.44 cents worth. (Inflation drove it up from $0.02)

Correction

[louisadkins.livejournal.com]

***tend to not use the term 'evil' to automatically dehumanize.***

Don't want to forget these

[louisadkins.livejournal.com]

*pounce-hugs*

[ladyfox7oaks.livejournal.com]

Oh- I'm absolutely certain that there are a LOT of things I'm missing in this story.
But I have to say this, The three adults who kept two children locked in a bathroom for FIVE YEARS are trying to convince people that they were doing what they believed to be right, as well. And I can tell you- from the Doctor's reports comparing these children to holocaust victims- that it is impossible for me to believe them.