And Now the Not-So-Polite Smack

[omimouse]

Okay, earlier was me being polite and vague. After almost more than a year of this shit, though, a really good rant is in order.

For the record, Warin, Catchild, Jon, and Louis are not even on the radar with this rant. This is nothing that they have done or said. And I'm not even trying to be polite. You don't like it? That's your tough shit, and your problem, not mine.


Right. I am a fucking parent. Got that, lizard? I am a parent. You are not. Back the hell off of my parenting rights, sit down, and shut the fuck up. I am allowed to disipline the kids. You are not. You are not allowed to question my parenting descions, nor are you allowed to interfere. I am not a secondary in this family, you brainless idiot of a wyrm. Warin and I are married. Not legally, no. But we sure as hell consider ourselves to be husband and wife. This means that we refer to each other as such. In public, even. Telling us that we shouldn't do this because we're not legally married stops now.

People who are in serious, romantic relationships tend to have sex. We do this in private, away from the public eye, y'know, in our bedroom, with the door closed? Bitching every time someone even hints at the fact that they have an active and fufilling sex life because you haven't been laid for a while has officially gotten ancient.

Next. I believe that frequent smoking and large amounts of alcohol consumption is unhealthy for a person. I have a large amount of medical information to back me up. Topics at Sanctuary drift. I can be talking about something and not be talking about you. If the conversation has drifted to smoking, I will give my opinion, namely that it's just another way to poison one's body, and as long as I can choose to not be inhaling someone else's smoke, it's your body, your choice. You do not get to remove my head from my shoulders for this. Frequent and large amounts of alcohol consumption falls under the same category. If we wanted to be bitchy about this, we could ban all nicotine and alcohol from the property. We don't. In fact, we do drink around here. Very seldom, and with responsibility, the way one should treat any drug. My opinions. I get to express these in my home without being jumped all over, y'know.

Men are not stupid beasts of burden good only for money and sex. I'd really rather that my daughters not pick this attitude up. Therefore, kindly keep the fucking bigotry to your own self, 'kay? Mundanes are not inherently idiots, either.

I am not dismissable. I am not all-powerful. Neither are you. Esoteric dick-sizing is childish. My true beliefs on this one? Anyone can do anything that they can conceive of, if they are willing to pay the price. Some of those prices are absolutely horridly steep. Others are just the time spent on the course of action and the energy expended. Anyone can punch through anyone else's shields, if they're willing to deal with the price. Ain't no such thing as total invulnerability.

Sanctuary does not run on a pack structure. We may share some of the elements, but that's not how we run. Our family structure is our own. Trying to come in and act as though we: A) are a pack structure and B) Catchild is the only true alpha and C) your position is a very high beta, second only to Catchild . . .

Well, it pisses us off. All of us. Warin, Catchild, Jon, and I are all equal in rights and responsibilities. Socially, we tend to fall into me acting much more as Catchild's direct second. I feel comfortable like that. But I'm still equal to her, and to the other adults in the family. And my social standing is not up for grabs. If you are not one of the other three adults, you don't get to trump me on anything in regards to Sanctuary. And even we don't get to trump each other. And believe me, if my own sister, husband, or brother don't get to trump me, you're so not even on the radar with that that it's not even funny.

Now. What have I been saying that's been insulting, again? Becasue believe me, I haven't even been trying.

Comments

[mikailova.livejournal.com]

People who are in serious, romantic relationships tend to have sex. We do this in private, away from the public eye, y'know, in our bedroom, with the door closed? Bitching every time someone even hints at the fact that they have an active and fufilling sex life because you haven't been laid for a while has officially gotten ancient.

I can agree that that does get old. However, you do sometimes overshare about you sexual experiences without being askes for details. I'm guilty of this too, so I think we both need to work on the TMI thing.

I believe that frequent smoking and large amounts of alcohol consumption is unhealthy for a person. I have a large amount of medical information to back me up. Topics at Sanctuary drift. I can be talking about something and not be talking about you. If the conversation has drifted to smoking, I will give my opinion, namely that it's just another way to poison one's body, and as long as I can choose to not be inhaling someone else's smoke, it's your body, your choice.

I understand all of this information, but what I do with my life is my business, and I do know that you respect that. However, it is rude to have a loud convesation about such topics within earshot of the person who smokes or drinks. It's the same as getting in their face about their choices. Have you ever been in public and said something really loud within earshot of a rude person like about cutting in line or something just for the purpose of telling them off without getting in their face? That's what it comes across as when someone hears you saying such things, but not to their face.

I know you haven't been trying to be insulting on purpose. But sometime we all say and do things that come across as insulting, and I know this was your rant so if you want to bitch at me for these comments feel free.

[louisadkins.livejournal.com]

However, it is rude to have a loud conversation about such topics within earshot of the person who smokes or drinks. It's the same as getting in their face about their choices.

I disagree with this statement. I do not feel one should have to guard conversational topics due to the fact that someone in ear shot might have any sort of experience concerning the topic, or even might not approve of the subject(s).

I do not think that someone should be intentionally rude, but I feel that the rudeness boundary is drawn at a different point, here (Sanctuary), than you are allowing for.

Have you ever been in public and said something really loud within earshot of a rude person like about cutting in line or something just for the purpose of telling them off without getting in their face? That's what it comes across as when someone hears you saying such things, but not to their face.

The difference I see, here, is that (in your example) you are doing something intentionally, as an attempt to chastise someone; you are doing such, on purpose. Just because someone holds a different opinion than yours, does not mean they should be restricted from expressing it in your presence. Everyone has the freedom of choice.

[hakamadare.livejournal.com]

Just because someone holds a different opinion than yours, does not mean they should be restricted from expressing it in your presence.

i agree entirely, and i also understand that different social environments draw the "rudeness boundary" at different points. however, i also think that much of human communication depends on tone and body language, sometimes more than on content. wanting someone to be careful about tone is not the same as wanting someone to shut up.

but then again, i don't know the backstory of this particular situation, so feel free to disregard my suggestions. :)

-steve

[mikailova.livejournal.com]

The difference I see, here, is that (in your example) you are doing something intentionally, as an attempt to chastise someone; you are doing such, on purpose. Just because someone holds a different opinion than yours, does not mean they should be restricted from expressing it in your presence. Everyone has the freedom of choice.

I respect the right to hold a different opinion. However at the time this incidence occured. The way it came across was that I was being told off by a loud conversation within my earshot instead of to my face in an attempt to chastise me and I was very insulted.

Also I have been at Sanctuary many times and seen other people as well as myself get their throat jumped down for holding a different opinion than the majority of the group, esp. with the recent election. I try to keep my opinions to myself most of the time or give the impression that I agree with everyone so that I don't get bitched at.

[catchild.livejournal.com]

However at the time this incidence occured. The way it came across was that I was being told off by a loud conversation within my earshot instead of to my face in an attempt to chastise me and I was very insulted.

Any conversation with the mouse is a loud one. 'Omi has worked for years to be able to carry on a conversation in a normal conversational tone. She literally can not hear her volume, 'Omi being loud is just that. She does not do the petty shit of chastiseing by talking loudly about someone. if the mouse wants to chastise someone she does it in thier face and usually with the verbal eqivalent of a rolled up newspaper.

People here will tell you to your face they have a problem with you. They might bitch to someone else first and get a reality check, but the person they have a problem with will get told about it in detail. The only exception to this rule that I know of is Dee, Reana, and J, and that is because they spent 6 months not talking to anyone down here; and Dee has spent almost a year. It's impossible to tell someone what the problem is if they refuse contact.

[mikailova.livejournal.com]

I know, I know... I don't know what has been wrong with me lately. I've been pissy and moody, and it isn't PMS unless you can get PMS for a month straight. I'm sorry for the bitchy stuff I've been saying lately. I got mad a someone the other day for something she did over 10 years ago. I've just been stupid lately and I owe everyone an apology, especially omi, because I've been using her posts to take out my agressions.

[chaiya.livejournal.com]

[Crystal makes note, inscribes on back of eyelids: No make Naomi mad.]

Seriously, good on you. I/we are proud of you. :)

[dimers.livejournal.com]

[andrew makes note, inscribes on underside of tongue: Make Naomi mad. Is actually pretty hot.]